The gap between rape and consent
Monika Kruesmann
onlineopinion.com.au posted Thursday, 9 March 2006
"Most of all, what is needed is a consistent, holistic and realistic understanding of what both healthy and unhealthy sexual practices are about, and how to go about achieving the one and avoiding the other. Simple solutions are a superficial cop out. This issue needs to be handled with the sophistication of thought that its complexities deserve. Just saying “no”, just doesn’t cut it."
we probably need to have a 'consistent, holistic and realistic' understanding of most social (let alone psychological) phenomena.
that requires a whole lot more than say, good education. we need that too of course. we also need to start discussing this stuff openly in public. so long as sex and sexuality is a taboo, stupid ideas and nasty attitudes will persist.
this will require a whole-of-society open and visible programme. it has to be more than 'ok' to talk about sex and sexuality. it will require more than being 'able' to talk about it. we probably need to be required to engage in discussion. to be explicitly told what is unacceptable, to discuss where the boundaries are or should be. and to teach each other that being 'able' to open up is not sufficient.
if we cannot talk about sex and sexuality openly in our relationships because we're embarrassed or unsure or too proud or whatever, sexual violence will persist in our society.
at the moment, prudery and the 'moral' rectitude regarding anything to do with these issues is not just a 'barrier' - much of it actively encourages violence of all forms in relationships.
(no subject)
I think a lot of the attitudes towards this kind of thing is to do with upbringing and ignorance. For example, people condemn anything out of the ordinary because they mistake "I don't like this" with "it's wrong", meaning anything remotely out of the ordinary vanilla is viewed as severely fucked up by a lot of society. And because people don't want to be shunned, it means they don't even talk about anything else in much detail at all either, just in case. It's become a sort of "Don't ask/Don't tell" topic. People are afraid to ask "Is this right, is this normal?" just in case it's not and they're judged for it, even if it's not their fault.
In my own searchings into the area, the 'fucked up' people in the BDSM scene are more likely to have healthy views in this area than people outside, because even if one is beating the other within an inch of their life, the one being beaten has requested it and has firmly stated their limits beforehand, such that anything unwanted is stopped. And anyone who pushes them finds themself alone.
The 'normals' are nowhere near so firm and so the area of consent is much more blurred, and often put their foot down when they've reached their limits. The example in the article,
"He might start to touch her, she moves his hand away. He puts it back. She moves it. He puts it back. She says no. He says she’s so sexy and puts it back. After 15 minutes of this, she’s so distressed and riven with guilt that she stops pushing the hand away. Rape? Not exactly. Consensual sex? Not exactly.
shows exactly that, someone giving in to guilt. And that could have so easily been prevented has she known that there's nothing to be guilty about. But she didn't because people don't talk about sex.
Then there's areas in Rednecksville America where everyone in the tiny town knows the woman with the black eye got it from her husband and not a door, but do nothing because you Don't Talk About These Things.
"And besides, they all get much the same, so it's normal, right? Right? Must be, but I won't ask, just in case it's not. Everyone else does it, it must be alright, or else I deserved it...
If I don't put out for my boyfriend I'm a tease. If I don't try to get it, I'm a wimp. It's what is done. Isn't it? That's what I heard. What I think doesn't matter, what's right for everyone else is right for me. On the other hand sex before marriage is a sin, so I've got to commit a sin here because that's what's done, I'm sure it's what's done. Everyone else does it."
As far as I'm concerned, people need to loosen up and realise that just because they don't like something, doesn't mean it's wrong. Sexuality is subjective. What's a game to one person, a flirtation, can be emotionally equivilent to rape for another. Of course, it's not spoken about cuz sex is a sin, doncha know? And as soon as people actually state their boundaries, they can be enforced, instead of pushed, like in the example I've quoted above from the article. And so, as soon people stop being afraid to talk violence can be more easily prevented. Or caused, for those into that kind of thing.
*rolls eyes* The sheer irony of this whole situation is that it happens in our enlightened age when sex is used to sell everything. It's flaunted yet not spoken about. *snort* Give me the kinksters any day, they seem to have a healthy attitude for those who perform rather uncommon and socially condemned sexual practises.
(no subject)
Consent is an important issue in the proper BDSM scene. By proper, well, if no one has even mentioned safe words, get out of there. Now.
The interesting thing in most sub-dom relationships is that it is usually the bottom who is really in control. Not that I am in the scene, it's just interesting talking to friends who are dominatrixes. As Kensey et al stated, what is normally classed as abnormal sexual behaviour is more frequently the norm.
As for rape, I always consider that Seducer is the linguistically appropriate english literal translation of rapist in italian. [The Divine Comedy makes a lot more senese that way, btw.] makes you think, heh?
And as a friend once said, "There's nothing wrong with fucking; just not enough right with it."
(no subject)
[i do wonder how well that explains trends in certain religious movements and political ideologies?]
me, i'd just like the opportunity ...
not talking about 'difficult' things is one of those rules. and that's because no one wants to hear bad stuff. they don't want to have to do anything about anything. particularly stuff as complicated as emotional stuff.
keep in mind, since the basic rule of the social game is that everyone knows the rules™, proving your ignorance is embarassing. and most mundanes will do almost anything to avoid embrassment.
in general, mundanes appear to care more about appearances than realities. and they get to vote.