for stupid people who don't ask questions like "why does stupid design not suggest more ..." stupid design is easy to grasp. unlike science - or to be more accurate, the scientific method, which is what the stupid design people are conveniently confusing with creationism.
stupid design says things are because they've been designed that way. what possible questions can arise out of that?
this may be preaching to the unconverted, but science is not just about 'describing the natural world' ...
what astounds me is that so many people assume they understand what science is, and even when they're told what science is, they still insist on confusing their imagined idea of science from their middle school fumblings with the real, grown up real thing™.
stupid design is lazy. saves you the fuss of thinking ... granted ... but the scientific method is all about thinking.
stupid design says things are because they've been designed that way. what possible questions can arise out of that?
this may be preaching to the unconverted, but science is not just about 'describing the natural world' ...
what astounds me is that so many people assume they understand what science is, and even when they're told what science is, they still insist on confusing their imagined idea of science from their middle school fumblings with the real, grown up real thing™.
stupid design is lazy. saves you the fuss of thinking ... granted ... but the scientific method is all about thinking.
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Anyway, I think there should be a revival in teaching children (and everyone else, for that matter) just what the principles of science and its methods are. You know, actually going out and looking at the world to see if it is really what you think it is. Devising testable theories, and then testing them. Creating theories that can be used to predict things. Recognising that for a theory to have any applications in the practical world that it must actually be derived from reality somehow. :-/ All that other nice stuff.
Intelligent design didn't create the TVs that televangelists speak through...
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thinking has become unpopular, as both hard and inimicable to the interests of the powers that glee™.
consequently, scientific method® is both bad (hard), and wrong (heresy).
even worse, thinking smacks of intellectualism, and we can't have any of that now, can we ... *sigh*
the misuse of 'science' and scientific method® by "social scientists" has been a crucial part of the undermining of the scientific method®. logical thinking replaced by 'common-sense' and other fun (easier) things.
one reasons natural scientists disparage psychology is that most psychologists and their friends have trouble thinking clearly, let alone make proper use of pernickety things like statistics and other hard stuff.
oh, and they insist on 'proving' things, and 'discovering' basic behaviours. if they want to be scientists, they need to do some science.
that said, i'm curious about how people think, and how they think they think. even if only to compare with my own models. i could have been a psychologist - but for the stats and the (often) unscientificness. biology ruined me for psych.
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you do that?
oh.
should i be doing that?
but then, i'm not an engineer. i'm a lawyer and a biologist and so forth.
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unless we're considering reverting to the 1400s ...
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We have something that is capable of producing the most incredible miracles, but because it was never meant to be a religion it provides no spiritual comfort. Thus it becomes a False God, a Betrayer of Hopes and Dreams, a Source of Our Woes, the Greenhouse Destroyer of Earth, and its miracles steal worship from the One True Belief.
Personally I prefer a t-shirt worn as the last Worldcon: "It's the 21st century. Where's my rocket pack?"
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science seeks to understand the observable universe. engineering takes that and makes money from mechanical toys and things that go boom! and ping! and whatnot. if you have enough toys, you never need to notice whether you lack spiritual comfort or not ...
i rather liked my old 'con t-shirt: "this is it?"
one of my favourite slogans/t-shirts at the moment is "it's fun to use learning for evil" on diesel sweeties
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Actually when I'm talking about big-S Science I'm really talking about neither science or engineering. Whether the priests of the movement, the big-S Scientists, realise that it happened, or even want it to happen, many of the ignoranti (the opposite of an illuminati) consider big-S Science to be a religion.
Small-s science is a method of creating a model of the universe through the application of the scientific method, logic,and reason. Small-e engineering is the use of this model to create wonderful devices that can turn night into day, and so on. (Big-E Engineering is the building of bridges that don't quite meet in the middle and creating elevators that can reach to the moon.) The use of these devices is then governed by Economics, Politics, and Culture, often by individuals who have never served an appropriate apprenticeship to learn mastery of the technology that they are using.
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i agree with your distinction between science and engineering on the one hand, and their deified/reified capitalised bastard children on the other.
i think i've been generous in my recent descriptions/discussions of certain kinds of social 'scientists' and their ilk ...
i also consider Politics and it's bastard children to be technologies; used manipulate the (social) environment to produce 'desirable' results for their users [aka the powers that be capitalised®]
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http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/
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now there's another damn online 'toon for me to try to keep up with!
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There's certainly no one in the department I'm in announcing that they've "proven" anything (unless you count my damn students) As a discipline most psych research I've seen follows the scientific TM way of proposing hypotheses and then doing experiments which either support or fail to support them.
There is widespread misuse of statistics, especially null hypothesis significance testing, but there are also many psych researchers who really know their statistical stuff. Some of them also have Maths degrees. Regardless, I think psychologists in general should consult statisticians when doing research, rather than relying on what is often pretty amateur knowledge.
As for "discovering" basic behaviours, if you're talking about the tendancy for psychologists to do experiments and find the obvious, I think that too is a criticism leveled too often. "Common wisdom" and "the obvious" are not always correct - it is the scientific TM way of doing things that tells us to check to see how things really are. When a piece of research runs counter to the obvious, it seems valid, yet when it simply confirms the obvious it seems pointless. I think we need to confirm the obvious, just to make sure it is actually so. Sometimes it isn't.
Anyway, when it comes to the anti-quantitative methods people, some of their conmplaints are very valid. It is an unavoidable fact that many areas psychologists would like to examine are almost impossible to measure with highly rigorous scientific methods. As a reaction to psychoanalysis (Freud etc.), the discipline went through this phase mid last century of only measuring behaviour - after all, you can't really know what's going on in someone's head, right? Sadly, that excludes one of the main points of psychology, which is working out how people think. Since then people have used the computer as a model for the human mind, in order to develope theories about how it works, but there's still a lot of contention over what can and can't be studied. And there's still a tendancy to reduce very complex things to simple questionnaires in order to create something that can be measured statistically. So, lots of people complain about this from within the discipline, and this drives the move away from quantitative methods.
But, as I said before, sometimes these guys throw the baby out with the bath water.
Personally, I believe that which method is best depends on what you are studying. There's nothing to say you can't combine methods (though many purists of either school go nuts over this) and augment concrete statistical analyses with in depth interviews or what have you. (Not that these things can't be done scientifically) I think in a discipline like psych you need both. I actually think it is quite accurate to call psychology a pseudo-science, and that that is what it should be.
Of course, some post-modernism/sociology inspired parts of psychology do rather wander away whistling when it comes to actually going out and looking at the world. They have their 3 subjects, and their TV show, and they don't need anything else, thankyou very much! Others from this same area have very cogent things to say about how little most psychologists recognise the biases inherrent in their research. They are often, IMO, correct. But just because some people do a certain type of research badly doesn't mean you should abandon the whole thing...
Anyway, sorry for the gigantic rant. I think my point is that it's easy to overstate the problems in psychology. They exist, but they're not as bad, or ubiquitous as many people might think. Besides, I've spent...7 years (Gah!)...of my life involved with this discipline, so I figure I should be willing to defend it! LOL.
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i agree that qualitative methods have their place. my concern is that the two not get confused. too often people do a qualitiative study, using a 1-5 grid, then continue as if the numbers generated are quantitative ... probably because they see numbers ...
psych has done some good things™ over the years. i'm not one for throwing out what isn't broken. pity others are less consistent ... but they do have jobs, and they do get to decide that i don't have one. and they often use psychology to justify themselves ... hence i get a tad pissy at times. at the people, not the discipline.
on another note, first years in any discipline are difficult, lazy, stupid, and taxing. but a few insist on being different.
[i studied law for ten years. i'm a real lawyer, but i still can't practice in my own right becuase i haven't worked for others long enough. (some) people suck.]