I find it interesting how many of those who label contemporary evolutionary theory as 'neoDarwinism' have no background in science. Indeed, as soon as someone uses the term I am immediately on alert to identify whether they are in the religious camp or the political one.
Back in my days as an undergraduate biology student (I majored in molecular biology, genetics, and microbiology) I attended a lecture on the philosophy of science over the other side fo the campus in philosophy. I was curious, and hoping to date one of the class. The lecturer didn't get halfway before we were in a stand-up shouting match (he began the shouting).
As a third-year biology major, I was well aware of the models of science used by scientists. This guy mentioned the prevailing models in science in passing ... and launched into some esoteric stuff about power and hegemony. Then it was on ...
Scientists are under no illusions about the power of the dominant ideas in science. The whole point of peer review and so forth is to find a balance between accepted ideas and challenges. But science is an *empirical* process, not merely a bunch of guys arguing over a few beers (though we do that too).
Sociologists, and other social scientists, seem to have significant difficulties really understanding what science is - they are under some illusion that if they don't understand it, no one else does either ...
As to the methods used by the various factions arrayed against contemporary science, they all read form the same book of propaganda techniques. The past hundred years or so have seen huge developments in the art and science of propaganda - driven largely by advertising (the oft overlooked 'benign' 'version'). Anyone can hire a PR/Marketing/Ad Monkey, or read a book, or take a course. The principles are pretty consistent.
No one has a monopoly on self-reification. And presuming that "if I don't get it, no one else does either" (and it's opposite) is a common psychological game that makes people feel better. Otherwise, simplistic, irrational ideologies would be far less common than they are.
In reply to a recent post (March 30th, 2006) by Jason Soon on catallaxy, The Cultural Constructionist Left war on Science I wrote the following:
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But on the other I can see the point of the whole hegemony argument in some circumstances. It is very relevant to the "soft sciences" (like psychology, for example), where some disciplines dress themselves up as hard science, thus obscuring the weakness of their methods and adding undeserved authority to their theories. Whenever these criticisms came up in some of my subjects I would point out that many of the complaints about methods made by those who criticise science would be made by propper scientists too (when looking at the same dodgy research). These philosophers are probably in some cases drawing their criticisms of science via the social sciences rather than directly from, say, physics.
On top of that, it's a relevant criticism when you are studying something that often doesn't fit well into an empiricist model - such as human behaviour. In an attempt to create a truly rigorous scientific experiment you can exclude so many "confounding" factors as to render your results meaningless - some areas of psychology are very poorly suited to the most rigorous of laboratory studies.
This leads some people who are overly enamoured with traditional scientific methods to decide that the only options are to ignore that area of study all together, or conduct research that's excluded a bunch of confounding variables while making the circumstances of the experiment so bizzare that the people involved in them act in ways they never would in normal circumstances (the catch 22 of studying human behaviour).
Of course, what researchers in this area are really trying to do is not abandon the scientific method (they still want to gain facts about a situation, rather than just make stuff up) but rather to develope new scientific methods that are most appropriate to their particular discipline - that get the most accurate possible results (in a way that is actually practical to implement). Virtually no study of human behaviour is anywhere near perfect. It's alsways a trade off between one thing and another.
Let us also not forget that science has been used as a tool for justifying opression in the past. Australian Aboriginals were designated a lower order of intelligent life. Masturbation was "known", by leading doctors of the early 20th century, to be bad for your health. Homosexuality was considered a mental disorder until 1975. You can "prove" that African Americans are less intelligent that White Americans with IQ tests today. Those scientists concerned with nice abstract research don't encounter these power games, or see them for what they are. It's where science interacts with any study of humanity that the power games begin. The protestations of impartiality made by hard scientists in some respect add to the weight of spurious claims dressed as science.
Of course, this whole debate suffers from the problem of ignorance on all levels. Real scientists know that today's well supported theory may well be superceded by something else tomorrow. They accept that scientific study is a process that refines and revisitis ideas constantly. Unfortunately the lay person can't seem to find a grey area between definitely absolutely true and total utter falsehood. It's no good trying to explain to them that "Pretty definitely true, with lots of supporting evidence" is as close to "totally true" as we get. Or that if "Pretty definitely true with lots of supporting evidence is OK", it doesn't follow that "I just made this up" is somehow just as good. It's either black and white, or there is no objective fact at all and all ideas carry equal weight as "truths". Which is utter bollocks. Of course, many philosophers of science are essentially lay people. They end up with that "all is relative" mindset, flavoured with a bit of sociology, and a bit of Marx and a bit of Foucault, without reference to any kind of practical reality.
OK, that rant is long enough now. Your posts always make me want to write essays. :-)
rationality
As you point out, not all subjects are readily examined empirically. Science is not the only methodology for rational rigour. Cloaking hoodoo in fancy words doesn't make your blather 'scientific'. As you point out, scientific methodologies have not been exhausted - it is possible to construct new ways of using the scientific method.
Perfection is not the point of science, imporvement is. Too many outsiders confuse scientific clarity with certainty - but that's their own biases coming out. Ideologues want to be right, want to be the only right, despite reality's failure to conform. But they can try to make society conform - and thats one key point at which i'm very definately interested. Where ideology is used to enforce conformity.
The "all is relative" bunch try to excuse themselves as "post-modernists", but post-modernity was never about replacing logical thinking with "whatever i think seems good today". What they have done is destroy a lot of the credibility their disciplines have otherwise developed.
*grin* that's the best compliment i've had in a while. thanks :)
don't hold back on my account either :) i blog to discuss and debate things that interest me, more than to tell people about my exciting live ...
Re: rationality
I suspect that a lot of the arguing and confusion about science comes from the fact that most people only have part of the picture. You know, one guy reacting to something in his area of expertise gets bitter about so called "science". Then some other guy who's never seen the nightmare that guy one lives with daily feels the attack on rigorous research is unfair - his world of science is quite legitimate. Then a whole bunch of other people jump on both bandwagons without understanding anything and muddy the waters further. Then some babies are thrown out with bathwater. Then the religious fundamentalists smell fear and go in for the kill. :-)
The scary thing about science is that you can dress anything up as science with the right words and numbers, and even though it won't fool actual scientists for a second, the average guy on the street usually can't tell the difference. Science has so much prestige in our society (it is rather useful!) that people basically want to believe whatever the guys in the white coats tell them. It works OK until you factor in the ease of purchasing and then wearing a white coat. :-/
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language is power(ful). unfortunately many scientists have not grasped that fully (though some have, and many are catching on very quickly.) the fundies have at least done that much for science. *sigh*
people confuse science with technology. engineers make useful things out of the stuff scientists discover. it doesn't help that scientists are expected to be semi-engineers now, and be able to exploit their work commercially. not much 'pure' science gets done anymore. [pure as in, no 'justification' required to satisfy bean-counters before the work can be done]
scientists are expected to know ahead of time what they'll discover, or at least how it will be useful. not really the point of science, which was to examine reality to uncover how it worked - rather than just how we can exploit it.
the really awful thing about the reification of 'science' is that so much that isn't 'science', and needn't be 'science', is dressed up as science to get credibility. so much of what is called "social sciences" falls into that trap. which only opens the way for psudo-sciences and ideological arm-waving like "incompetent design" [i mean, how stupid is this supreme creator 'guy-trilogy' that he/it/they designs eyes back to front, for example.]
my lab coat is no longer strictly white. but then, there is a lot of time ot kill between setting up and cleaning up in the lab ...
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a more recent experience was more satisfying, though we did have to get the middle-aged moron in the middle row to shut up ...
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All physicists are philosopher-mystics, but we have a single great test. "Do our observations fit reality?" It doesn't matter how brilliant the theory is, if it doesn't fit observed phenomena it is generally discarded. And we can be very conservative. More than one eminent Physicist has been known to comment (whilst others nod sagely) that Einstein was such a great genius because he managed to get his theories accepted within his own lifetime.
But our coffee table discussions can be fun. As can justifying how something could occur by wrapping it in pseudo-science technobabble...
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indeed.
and it's not only in physics that techno-babble cna provide for entertaining coffee breaks :)
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Don't forget, the human gene-set was made up of 24 pairs of chromosomes for about 20 years, according to the scientists (at least one: Thomas Painter). This idea that scientists are infallible is wrong. They are fallible, like the rest of us, as believe it or not, they are human too. Being a scientist doesn't make one better or more important than another human.
I think a big problem for the English-based parts of the world (England, America, Australia, so on) is the fact that scientists live in their ivory towers, and don't get out and about amongst the community enough. They need to be out here teaching the rest of us what is going on, what science is, what it means, and so on, and they don't. Instead they give off this academic elitism crap. That's why others make their money, and power, in coming up strange ideas and names, eg. neo-Darwinism.
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that other well known clark(e) ;)
- Arthur C. Clarke's First Law
Perhaps the adjective 'elderly' requires definition. In physics, mathematics, and astronautics it means over thirty; in the other disciplines, senile decay is sometimes postponed to the forties. There are, of course, glorious exceptions; but as every researcher just out of college knows, scientists of over fifty are good for nothing but board meetings, and should at all costs be kept out of the laboratory!
- Clarke's note on above
When, however, the lay public rallies round an idea that is denounced by distinguished but elderly scientists and supports that idea with great fervor and emotion: the distinguished but elderly scientists are then, after all, probably right.
- Isaac Asimov, In answer to Clarke's First Law
But the only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
- Clarke's Second Law
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
- Clarke's Third Law
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environmental factors had more to do with lifespan than genetics - not that i'm discounting genetics as a factor. now that we live longer, our genetics is playing a larger role in lifespan and quality of life. in shorter lived lives, many genetic disorders play little role because we don't live long enough for their inadequacies to develop.
it's not so much that we're only "designed" to last 30-40 years, but rather that our design is not particularly well equipped to cope with such anomalies.
remember, "evolution" doesn't set out to achieve anything, it is not a deliberate process as such, ratherit is an explaination of what we observe.
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it's the bean-counters and the sociopaths who fuck things up.
there is a storng tradition of public science in the english-speaking world. unfortunately most people's sceintific education stops in middle school, and either lack of curiosity or lack of 'opportunity' prevents them from engaging with science.
technology is easier. you go to the shop and buy some. you just have to figure out how to use it.
science requires you to think, to learn how things work and why they fit together the way they do.
in our current culture of economic imperative, the *why* of things is replaced with *what for*.
it's hard enogh doing science these days, without having to educate the mundanes as well. there are plenty of sources for kepeing up with science, you just have to do some regular reading. which is too hard for most people in this tv oriented culture.
scientists are *portrayed* as being elitist, by the very people trying to replace them with theocracies and ideologies. very few scientists are unapproachable - but most are trying to get things done while having to justify it to bean-counters and non-scientific administrators.
science for it's own sake is no longer possible. there *has* to be some identifiable "benefit" or "product" at the end of it.
most of the really big leaps in technology, including medicine, have been pure flights of fancy - or worse, complete accidents - that turned out to be damn useful.
those making money and wielding power are doing so with ideologies - deliberately confounding matters with propaganda tricks. scientists are not necessarily well equipped ot play stupid political games with fucktards like that - but they're giving it a good go nonetheless.
they're not getting as much press as the evangelicals because cold hard reality is not as exciting as fantasy.
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It doesn't help that most scientists are not trained communicators and are required to be specialists in their fields.
Our education system is also fundamentally flawed, having been developed for a different use than it finds itself put to now.
Most scientists look askance at their portrayal in media ("Do I really have to learn to hunt if I want to become a nuclear physicist...")
The most exciting exclamation in experimental science is not "eureka" (Greek for "this bath is too hot") but rather "That's weird. I wonder why that is happening..."
One comment I've haerd that seperates scientists from non-scientists is that they have been forced to go through a long apprenticeship and so value the hard work and effort required to create the everyday miracles they have produced. But a normal person can simply press a button and make use of the technology that the scientist laboured so hard to create, without the need to know anything about it.
It doesn't help that the term "miracle" is often used to describe scientific endeavours. It may be true (or perhaps "magical" might be a better word), but it continues to propogate the myth that Science is a Religion and Scientists are its Priests. Which is not the case.
education
teaching lab rats to speak is often easier than teaching experimental scientists the same trick - though, as you rightly point out, little if anything is done to help them at any stage in the scientists' education. if anything, the very opposite occurs :| i didn't learn how ot talk to real people until half way through my law degree ... and then only at the great sufference of my then spouse ...
i agree with your comment regarding the purpose of the education system. to my mind, too much emphasis is put on fiddling with 'what' is taught and 'how' education is done, and not enough on the 'why' - which would, i think, go a long way to resolving the 'what' and 'how' questions. doubly so for universities ...
appearances can be confusing
"do i really have to like animals to be a biologist?"
"it might help if you want to be a zoologist. not so much with botany."
the fact that the guy on hte bus next to might well be a world class immunologist wouldn't occur to many people in adelaide, coz most scientists do not look like julius sumner miller, albert einstein, or beaker.
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that's wierd
all too often the really
biginteresting discoveries come about because somone simply couldn't account for some dumb anomaly in their data. or they contaminated their petri dishes.i have been told that the two best words in science are "that's wierd" (ok, three words), the two worst are "this proves".
the three words that got me into honours were "but, what if" ... the three that convinced me i'd made a mistake were "freeze at -80oC" closely followed by "for two hours" ... i'd been told to store the damn things at room temperature for two weeks.
one comment neatly explained why i had no sensible results for almost the whole of the previous eight months - of my nine month honours 'year'.
i did have a few "that's wierd" moments - one improved the viability of culturing a particular cell line, another turned out to be a key component of a multi-hundred-million dollar biotech patent, and one still pisses me off.
goddess scientia
too few get to experience the joy of having no idea what you're going to discover, you just have a pretty good idea of who your experiment is supposed ot work - and perhaps some idea what to look at.
religion tells people "how things are" and "what to expect" ... which is probably very comforting. certainly saves on the thinking. science is about people asking "what if" or "why the" ... not as comfortable, but a lot, lot more fun - as i'm sure you've experienced :)