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posted by [personal profile] maelorin at 10:51am on 30/07/2004
whilst reading [livejournal.com profile] wintrmute, i came across this interesting quote:
Because you can't tell a great hacker except by working with him, hackers themselves can't tell how good they are. This is true to a degree in most fields. I've found that people who are great at something are not so much convinced of their own greatness as mystified at why everyone else seems so incompetent. The people I've met who do great work rarely think that they're doing great work. They generally feel that they're stupid and lazy, that their brain only works properly one day out of ten, and that it's only a matter of time until they're found out.

From: http://www.paulgraham.com/gh.html


i can relate to this quote. does anyone else?

and just as importantly, does anyone else think this relates to me?
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posted by [identity profile] juciejordan.livejournal.com at 06:41pm on 29/07/2004
I realate to about 90% of that quote. I couldnt say if it relates to you, i dont know you well enough..
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posted by [personal profile] maelorin at 07:23pm on 29/07/2004
that's fair :)
 
posted by [identity profile] enkorvaks.livejournal.com at 07:05pm on 29/07/2004
yes, and yes.

<g>

I remember years ago (primary school level, here), I couldn't understand why everyone else was acting (and being, for that matter) so stupid. Does that count?

At the moment, I think that most of the people I work/socialise with are about the same level, so I don't tend to get the whole "I'm ok, everyone around me is [better|worse] than me"
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posted by [personal profile] maelorin at 07:32pm on 29/07/2004
that counts. :grin:

and i would say that this definately fits you too.

i'm finding a few people in my current course who seem to be this kind of bright. many out there are not, but it's the good one's that i want to keep.

i must admit to some jealousy. most of the time when i've worked in a 'normal' work environment (office or whatever) i've found perhaps one or two people i related to as an intellectual equal. i'm less concerned about that now, but it was a real issue for me in my early twenties.

as for socialising, again i used to generally only socialise with similar people. i'm more flexible now - and i mix with a wider range of people. i find that they're generally all quite bringht, many in different ways to me. which is all good.
 
posted by [identity profile] ptocheia.livejournal.com at 08:06pm on 29/07/2004
Hah, I totally relate to that quote.

Actually, awhile back I was thinking about the whole grade system from when I was in school, and how I always thought grades were totally mislabeled (according to the ABCDF scale). A 'C' was supposed to be the average, meeting the minimum expectations. All I ever did in school was what I considered the minimum, i.e. I did the homework they told me to do, and learned the stuff they told me to learn. The description for 'B' and moreso for 'A' talked about going above and beyond expectations, which to me would be doing more then what they told me to do. Yet whenever I did only what I was told, I got commended with A's. I notice this in the workforce too, that I do only what I'm told and it's seen as some fabulous thing (this logic applies everywhere but working in fast food, where any sort of competance seemed ignored=p). I guess it just seems strange that the standard would be sub-par.
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posted by [personal profile] maelorin at 08:56pm on 29/07/2004
i cruised through most of the last 20 years of education for this very reason.

the hard stuff for me has always been the people stuff.

most people are focussed on the people stuff, so the other is hard(er) for them.

i was mystified about how the grading system worked, and why some of my pieces-of-shit work got commended, while the stuff i put real effort into was considered average. i'm getting a good idea why now that i'm training to do the assessment stuff myself. the criteria used to mark the work isn't always obvious on the face of it - and we're encouraged to be as explicit as we can about how we will mark things.
 
posted by (anonymous) at 11:02pm on 29/07/2004
I related to the whole article. :) Or rather, I wanted to relate to the whole article, 'cause I want to be a hacker, but I've never really known if I was or not, nor whether or not I was any good.

And sorry, but we've never coded togeather (or an equivalent), so I don't know if it relates to you, but I do recall a number of very long conversations which make me think that it probably does.

Bilby.

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