posted by [identity profile] da-staplerthief.livejournal.com at 11:45pm on 17/10/2005
I'm all for the genetic link with autism. Seems to run in my family from my Dad's side and I lost/won the lottery out of the two kids, sister got off scott free/is a mundane.

Me? I didn't so much cure it as emphasise what I wanted to. Good memory, quick learning, awesome spacial skills etc. And forced myself to learn social skills although I still slip up a lot. Nothing to be done about handwriting although fencing improved my hand-eye coordination a lot, and my speech has improved to fluid so long as I'm not nervous/enthusiastic in which case it's full of stutters and very fast. But then, I'm borderline.

Mum tried to have me 'cured' but I did it all myself. I think a lot of it is what you make of it. I gave a speech on autism/aspergers in High School and made people _jealous_ because I memorised a ten minute speech never having written it down before hand and got full marks for it. They wanted it and the ability to spend less time studying and couldn't understand why I was so lucky. Disease in need of a cure my arse!

Although I spose it's kinda different between aspergers and strong autism... *shrugs*
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posted by [personal profile] maelorin at 12:24am on 18/10/2005
there is a strong genetic link here. it runs in families (my dad be the likely asd progenitor here also.)

males are four times as likely to be asd. which points to x-linkage of some kind. some recent work points to chromosome 22 involvement as well.

martial arts also improved by coordination. but i can't play 'twitch' games.

i trained myself out of a lisp. talking per se has never been a problem otherwise [where's the off switch! :)]

also trained myself into some social skills. with help from friends - including my ex-wife.

the 'cure' movement is a political lobby group with another agenda entirely.

one cannot 'cure' autisms anyways. it's neuroanatomical. large-scale brain rewiring is way beyond anything our vets doctors can manage. for some time to come.

those with the all-consuming need to have everyone else like tham are the ones needing the 'cure'. poor, pathetic deficient socio-behavioural freaks.

i had no idea asperger's existed until three years ago. i got through high school and several degrees first. my peers soon got over being amazed that i oculd stand up and speak for 10 minutes to hours on any topic, without detailed notes. i don't memorise [i can, but it's too much like hard work].

i'm pretty good at simply talking off-the-cuff [i have to get over stage fright first though] as colleagues discovered during my grad dip ed courses (my topic was changed as i got up to speak for five minutes - and only two people in the room knew. until afterwards. i was not a happy camper).

for me, less is more (though some preparation helps).
 
posted by [identity profile] da-staplerthief.livejournal.com at 10:23pm on 18/10/2005
Ditto for the talking on the fly thing, but I usually try to have some sort of layout before-hand lest I go off on a tangent and forget to say something important.

Definitely agree with the brain can't be rewired thing. Chances are aspergers masculinised my brain a great deal to start off with (I mean, autism is occasionally described as a hyper-masculine brain in terms of its traits) but arguing that you can 'cure' it leads to the conclusion that you can also change my gender to female, that I'm just delusional.

Incidentally, my psychiatrist did offer, but that's only because their Melbourne clinic was being sued by someone who lost their family because they transitioned (and probably were an arsehole about it... MtFs tend to demand 'accept me or else' of their wives, FtMs tend to go 'uh... accept me? Please? No? *sigh* I knew it...' They were MtF). My reply was 'no', because it wouldn't be me after they'd finished, and since I'm of the opinion you can't rewire a brain it'd be more like repressing the self.

It must be weird finding out as an adult you've got autism, I've known since I was 12. I didn't realise quite what it meant for another year, but even so... My Dad found out age 40, now he uses it to blame everything he's ever done wrong. Doesn't quite realise that autistic or not, arseholes are just arseholes. :-)
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posted by [personal profile] maelorin at 07:44am on 19/10/2005
a plan is always a good-thing ;)

i beleive that gender identity is more complex than most people imagine. i'm not yet convinced that aspieness is 'hyper-maleness' - though aspies do end up with 'exaggerated' 'masculine' traits. a few thing si read recently suggest that aspies, on average, are more ambivalent or confused about their gender identity [this is contrary to my limited experience, but does make some sense]

Incidentally, my psychiatrist did offer offer to do what? drug you up for life? play hack'n'slash in your head?

again with my thesis that much of the problem is social. it should be expected that some individuals will feel their physical gender does not match the way they think&feel about themselves. the main reason people have problems with that concept is social conditioning. i do think it is important that those who desire surgical intervention undergo good psychological evaluation and preparation.

the working model i have of people is more flexible than most people's. that said, i'm less tolerant of 'social wankery' than most. if something is just plain stupid, i find it hard to put up with. [people should tell others what they mean, not play idiotic games. lifes' too short for that shit]


it was actually a relief to discover that the difficulties i was having were real, and not the result of me being a selfish prick. i've never seen these things as an excuse. the explaination (has helped | is helping) me to work through what i can do to adapt for others, and what i need from others.

as you say, some people are arseholes because they're arseholes.
 
posted by [identity profile] da-staplerthief.livejournal.com at 11:23pm on 20/10/2005
The psychiatrist didn't elaborate on what they were offering but implied it involved lots of counselling and conditioning so I could repress any male traits. I doubt drugs'd work, nor a frontal lobotomy.
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posted by [personal profile] maelorin at 11:55pm on 20/10/2005
"repression" has the lovely side effect of being unhealthy, especially long term. and it's so effective. ask the "cured" homosexuals in bible belt usa ...

'drugs' might work, but you'd be taking hormones and psychoactives for life.

don't get me wrong, i've had it up to here with all the 'conforming to society' crap, but i'm of the opinion that people ought to be encouraged and assisted to find out and express who they actually are. the social games are important, but the claim that conformity for social cohesion does get taken too far. especially in a society that also claims that individual self-expression and self-discovery are valued and valuable.

the damn sheeple want us all to be mundanes. it's not very satisfying, and they get all silly when people 'discover' themselves and then do something about it when they're fortyish. if they'ed been allowed to find out and express/be themselves earlier, less mess would ensue.

methinks anyways.

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